Stourbridge parking permit plan could see Old Quarter residents charged £95 to park

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RESIDENTS living in Stourbridge's Old Quarter and surrounding streets face having to pay nearly £100 to park outside their own homes if plans to introduce a parking permit scheme get the green light.

Dudley Council wants to roll out a 12-month residents' parking scheme in 45 congested side streets to stop visitors and workers using them for parking rather than the pay and display town car parks.

Council chiefs say the scheme would initially run for 12 months on a trial basis but the pilot will only get underway if 80 per cent of residents in the Old Quarter support the idea.

Councillor Patrick Harley, leader of Dudley's Conservative Party, however, believes people will be quick to put the brakes on the plan which he has branded a "PR stunt" and "another way to get more money out of residents" as it would cost householders £95 per permit, up to a maximum of two, for the perk of 24-hour parking in their own street.

He slammed the cost of the scheme as "appalling" and added: “I can’t see people wanting to pay nearly £100 for the privilege of parking outside their own properties. Maybe if it was about £30 a year fee to cover administration costs but not nearly £100. It's ridiculous.

“If you’ve got another car that’s almost another £100.

"They’re not offering a solution to parking problems in the Old Quarter of Stourbridge.

“I think a better scheme would be to have an overall look at our parking strategy - looking at long term and short term parking and enforcement.

"We already know what the answer to this consultation is going to be. It’s another example of Labour constantly wasting money."

Councillor Khurshid Ahmed, the borough's cabinet member for transport, however, said the consultation costs would be "minimal" and is urging residents to ensure they have their say.

He said: "This consultation will allow us to look at ways of improving parking availability for residents and we will be issuing letters about this shortly.

“It’s essential that residents respond to the survey, as we require an 80 per cent uptake in order for the scheme to be viable and implemented.”

If the scheme is adopted - blue badge holders with disabled spaces would be able to keep their existing parking space but would have buy a permit to use the designated parking area.

Cllr Ahmed said the the cost of the 12-month permit would fund the installation of road markings and signs as well as enforcement officer patrols but he stressed it was not a "revenue generating exercise".

As part of the scheme which he described as "cost neutral" - householders would also be able to buy two-hour, day-long and week-long visitor parking passes for friends and family -in books ranging from £10 to £22.50.

Any motorists caught parking in designated residents' areas without a permit would be hit with a fine.

The scheme, which was drawn up after Wollaston and Stourbridge councillors highlighted concerns about parking in the Old Quarter, could be rolled out this summer if residents vote to go ahead with the trial.

But cllr Ahmed stressed "it's not compulsory", adding: "I'm merely responding to the concerns of residents. It's up to them if they accept or reject it."

Streets to be consulted are:

Bowling Green Road, Charles Road, Swan Street, Borough Crescent, Lawn Avenue, Mamble Road, Unwin Crescent, Cathcart Road Kohima Drive, Maypole Drive, Agenoria Drive, Green Street, Brook Street, Clark Street, Cleveland Street, Clifton Street, Cross Street, Hemmings Close, Cecil Street, Wheeler Street, West Street, Albert Street, Beale Street, Western Road, Heathfield Gardens, South Avenue, Hill Street, Baylie Street, Greenfield Avenue, Bernwall Close, Heath Street, Pargeter Street, Oxford Drive, Faulkner Close, Worcester Street, Short Street, Hemplands Road, Park Street, Chapel Street, Hanbury Hill, College Road, Pepper Hill, Union Street, Prospect Hill and Danford Close.

Meanwhile plans are also afoot to introduce a similar scheme on streets outside the borough's main hospital.

Residents in 13 streets around Dudley's Russells Hall Hospital will be asked whether they wish to take part in a trial permit-parking scheme which aims to solve the problem of hospital-bound motorists clogging up surrounding residential streets.

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1:17pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ianmarrey says...

This story is slightly misleading and the comments by Cllr Harley disingenuous. As local councillors we have had a number of requests to consider residential parking permits in this area but rather that it being "Dudley Council wants" we have argued that "the residents should decide". It is the local councillors who will hand deliver the consultation paper to reduce the cost of consultation but the reality is that any public or private body that engages with the general public or their customers understand and accept that it cannot be done for nothing but is something that is done within the normal course of business.

The idea of parking permits is not new, the previous administration (of which Cllr Harley was a member of) drafted a policy but decided themselves that it would not be considered - we believe that it is something that those who are directly impacted by the problem of parking should decide whether a proposed solution is something that they want. So both Conservative and Labour have given consideration to this as a potential solution the difference being we believe it is our residents who should have the final say.

Where we have undertaken surveys it indicates that there is just over 1 car per residence on average. In many of the streets of the Old Quarter there is only the length of 1 car outside a property, many of which do not have off road parking. There is not currently enough available space on the streets to cater for every car of every resident.

Other solutions, such as limited time parking, have been tried but these also have consequences in that people who live in these streets where there is a limit to the time you can park face having to move their car at regular times during the day.

Residents in Stourbridge now have the choice about residential parking permits and we encourage people to complete and return their consultation forms when it drops through the door so we can either move forward on this solution or set it aside and consider other options.

Cllr Ian Marrey
Wollaston and Stourbridge Town
This story is slightly misleading and the comments by Cllr Harley disingenuous. As local councillors we have had a number of requests to consider residential parking permits in this area but rather that it being "Dudley Council wants" we have argued that "the residents should decide". It is the local councillors who will hand deliver the consultation paper to reduce the cost of consultation but the reality is that any public or private body that engages with the general public or their customers understand and accept that it cannot be done for nothing but is something that is done within the normal course of business. The idea of parking permits is not new, the previous administration (of which Cllr Harley was a member of) drafted a policy but decided themselves that it would not be considered - we believe that it is something that those who are directly impacted by the problem of parking should decide whether a proposed solution is something that they want. So both Conservative and Labour have given consideration to this as a potential solution the difference being we believe it is our residents who should have the final say. Where we have undertaken surveys it indicates that there is just over 1 car per residence on average. In many of the streets of the Old Quarter there is only the length of 1 car outside a property, many of which do not have off road parking. There is not currently enough available space on the streets to cater for every car of every resident. Other solutions, such as limited time parking, have been tried but these also have consequences in that people who live in these streets where there is a limit to the time you can park face having to move their car at regular times during the day. Residents in Stourbridge now have the choice about residential parking permits and we encourage people to complete and return their consultation forms when it drops through the door so we can either move forward on this solution or set it aside and consider other options. Cllr Ian Marrey Wollaston and Stourbridge Town ianmarrey
  • Score: -2

3:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

The Villan says...

Yet again, the same debacle as the Russell Hall Estate issue. I would hazard that the residents will say "no" so I hope the consultation remains transparent throughout.

What it is with this council and parking permits?

Unbelievable .
Yet again, the same debacle as the Russell Hall Estate issue. I would hazard that the residents will say "no" so I hope the consultation remains transparent throughout. What it is with this council and parking permits? Unbelievable . The Villan
  • Score: 5

3:46pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ice3582 says...

Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!! ice3582
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Russell Eden says...

When I stood for election last year there was a fair bit of support for the idea of a car sharing scheme for people who only need the use of a car every now and again. Can this still be factored in please?

I would hope that the permit measure would make some residents think long and hard about that second car - do they really need it? Of course, they'll say they do, so the option is there to keep it if they buy a permit. I'm fortunate in having enough space off road for three cars, and rarely use the road for parking - but then that's what I wanted. People shouldn't buy homes without parking space if that's what they need.
When I stood for election last year there was a fair bit of support for the idea of a car sharing scheme for people who only need the use of a car every now and again. Can this still be factored in please? I would hope that the permit measure would make some residents think long and hard about that second car - do they really need it? Of course, they'll say they do, so the option is there to keep it if they buy a permit. I'm fortunate in having enough space off road for three cars, and rarely use the road for parking - but then that's what I wanted. People shouldn't buy homes without parking space if that's what they need. Russell Eden
  • Score: -6

6:14pm Wed 5 Feb 14

DonnieDarko says...

Here's an idea, how about providing residents free parking permits and then penalising those who are allegedly causing the real problems, "visitors and workers using them for parking rather than the pay and display town car parks."

Admittedly I haven't considered visitors to the residents or the finer points of how to role this out, however, wouldn't this be a better place to start the debate over parking on these streets, rather than penalise those who live there?
Here's an idea, how about providing residents free parking permits and then penalising those who are allegedly causing the real problems, "visitors and workers using them for parking rather than the pay and display town car parks." Admittedly I haven't considered visitors to the residents or the finer points of how to role this out, however, wouldn't this be a better place to start the debate over parking on these streets, rather than penalise those who live there? DonnieDarko
  • Score: 9

6:47pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Russell Eden says...

DonnieDarko wrote:
Here's an idea, how about providing residents free parking permits and then penalising those who are allegedly causing the real problems, "visitors and workers using them for parking rather than the pay and display town car parks."

Admittedly I haven't considered visitors to the residents or the finer points of how to role this out, however, wouldn't this be a better place to start the debate over parking on these streets, rather than penalise those who live there?
I'd quite like to see permits and can agree with DonnieDarko. How about the first one being free, and then charging for subsequent ones on an increasing scale?
[quote][p][bold]DonnieDarko[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea, how about providing residents free parking permits and then penalising those who are allegedly causing the real problems, "visitors and workers using them for parking rather than the pay and display town car parks." Admittedly I haven't considered visitors to the residents or the finer points of how to role this out, however, wouldn't this be a better place to start the debate over parking on these streets, rather than penalise those who live there?[/p][/quote]I'd quite like to see permits and can agree with DonnieDarko. How about the first one being free, and then charging for subsequent ones on an increasing scale? Russell Eden
  • Score: 1

11:55am Thu 6 Feb 14

Greetwolf says...

ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
[quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike. Greetwolf
  • Score: 6

12:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ice3582 says...

Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
Thank you for your comment.
Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household.
I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to.
First.
My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living.
Second,
I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits
Thirdly.
I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle.
52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway.
Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are.
This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!!
[quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household. I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to. First. My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living. Second, I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits Thirdly. I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle. 52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway. Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are. This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!! ice3582
  • Score: -2

12:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ice3582 says...

Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
Thank you for your comment.
Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household.
I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to.
First.
My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living.
Second,
I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits
Thirdly.
I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle.
52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway.
Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are.
This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!!
[quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household. I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to. First. My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living. Second, I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits Thirdly. I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle. 52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway. Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are. This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!! ice3582
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Thu 6 Feb 14

starvingstu says...

There are local businesses operating in some of these streets, I know because I own one of them on Brook Street! If this scheme was to be rolled out those local businesses would be utterly wiped out. Thereby local residents would lose out on convenient shops close to their homes and several business owners (like myself) will essentially lose everything!
There are local businesses operating in some of these streets, I know because I own one of them on Brook Street! If this scheme was to be rolled out those local businesses would be utterly wiped out. Thereby local residents would lose out on convenient shops close to their homes and several business owners (like myself) will essentially lose everything! starvingstu
  • Score: 8

11:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gazwhite2311 says...

I'm sorry i must have bought a dodgy calendar because it would appear to be April fools day !! How can you possibly think that penalizing residents is a good way to solve the problem with non-residents blocking up the streets . Issue every household with permits for residents plus a couple of time sensitive visitor passes then fine the offenders to get your funding . This isn't rocket science !
I'm sorry i must have bought a dodgy calendar because it would appear to be April fools day !! How can you possibly think that penalizing residents is a good way to solve the problem with non-residents blocking up the streets . Issue every household with permits for residents plus a couple of time sensitive visitor passes then fine the offenders to get your funding . This isn't rocket science ! gazwhite2311
  • Score: 5

3:05am Fri 7 Feb 14

Greetwolf says...

gazwhite2311 wrote:
I'm sorry i must have bought a dodgy calendar because it would appear to be April fools day !! How can you possibly think that penalizing residents is a good way to solve the problem with non-residents blocking up the streets . Issue every household with permits for residents plus a couple of time sensitive visitor passes then fine the offenders to get your funding . This isn't rocket science !
You don't understand, this is complete tomfoolery and a perfect example of selfishness. How topically fashionable and shamefully non-British can you get?
Resident or non-resident...nobod
y owns the street, it's a public highway. Everybody pays for it. Parking on the road is an allowance, not an entitlement.
Non-residents might as justifiably say that they cannot use the local businesses because all the house owners are using the public highway to park and are thus blocking the street, so the house OWNERS are the problem?
Worst of all, they're buying multiple cars to park on public property, then trying to imply that other members of the public should not be allowed the same entitlement as them? Yes, it must be flippin' April Fool's Day :-)

I don't think £95 is enough, it's hardly worth the administrative time to deal with such a trifling sum of money. Charge them £1000 a year. Less than £20 a week is superb value for a parking space where there are none available. If you want more than your fair share, then pay for it. If you want a slice of public value, pay your way and don't try to stiff your community..
Traditional British sense of fair play, or nouveau British sense of wanting something for nothing? Such a sad state of affairs.
[quote][p][bold]gazwhite2311[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry i must have bought a dodgy calendar because it would appear to be April fools day !! How can you possibly think that penalizing residents is a good way to solve the problem with non-residents blocking up the streets . Issue every household with permits for residents plus a couple of time sensitive visitor passes then fine the offenders to get your funding . This isn't rocket science ![/p][/quote]You don't understand, this is complete tomfoolery and a perfect example of selfishness. How topically fashionable and shamefully non-British can you get? Resident or non-resident...nobod y owns the street, it's a public highway. Everybody pays for it. Parking on the road is an allowance, not an entitlement. Non-residents might as justifiably say that they cannot use the local businesses because all the house owners are using the public highway to park and are thus blocking the street, so the house OWNERS are the problem? Worst of all, they're buying multiple cars to park on public property, then trying to imply that other members of the public should not be allowed the same entitlement as them? Yes, it must be flippin' April Fool's Day :-) I don't think £95 is enough, it's hardly worth the administrative time to deal with such a trifling sum of money. Charge them £1000 a year. Less than £20 a week is superb value for a parking space where there are none available. If you want more than your fair share, then pay for it. If you want a slice of public value, pay your way and don't try to stiff your community.. Traditional British sense of fair play, or nouveau British sense of wanting something for nothing? Such a sad state of affairs. Greetwolf
  • Score: -7

3:09am Fri 7 Feb 14

Greetwolf says...

ice3582 wrote:
Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
Thank you for your comment.
Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household.
I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to.
First.
My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living.
Second,
I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits
Thirdly.
I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle.
52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway.
Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are.
This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!!
You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right?
Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable.
I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)
[quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household. I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to. First. My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living. Second, I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits Thirdly. I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle. 52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway. Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are. This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!![/p][/quote]You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right? Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable. I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-) Greetwolf
  • Score: -6

12:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ice3582 says...

Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
Thank you for your comment.
Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household.
I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to.
First.
My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living.
Second,
I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits
Thirdly.
I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle.
52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway.
Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are.
This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!!
You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right?
Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable.
I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)
I don't know if you are aware about the terms of been economical?
The 4x4 is a land rover defender, if you know any other cars that have the same spec and can tow 7.5 tonnes please do tell me. Hence why I have the little car to get me from a - b without using litres of fuel.
I would love to meet you in person and for you to be in my shoes for a day!
[quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household. I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to. First. My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living. Second, I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits Thirdly. I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle. 52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway. Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are. This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!![/p][/quote]You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right? Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable. I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)[/p][/quote]I don't know if you are aware about the terms of been economical? The 4x4 is a land rover defender, if you know any other cars that have the same spec and can tow 7.5 tonnes please do tell me. Hence why I have the little car to get me from a - b without using litres of fuel. I would love to meet you in person and for you to be in my shoes for a day! ice3582
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Sam Vimes says...

Classic politicians. See a problem. Fail to address problem. Impose a tax to make a bit of money.
Classic politicians. See a problem. Fail to address problem. Impose a tax to make a bit of money. Sam Vimes
  • Score: 4

11:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ozpat says...

So, if these residents are going to be charged to park on the road outside their homes then surly they should be allowed to claim the cost against their road tax, paid for on the vehicle, or perhaps their council tax?. Is this not considered felonious to have to pay to use the road (road tax) and then get slugged again for the same usage? one or the other but not both, that is fundamentally wrong! They have some "creative" souls at DMBC eh! If this sets the precedent I wonder how long it is before any area with a house and road gets the same "treatment"?
So, if these residents are going to be charged to park on the road outside their homes then surly they should be allowed to claim the cost against their road tax, paid for on the vehicle, or perhaps their council tax?. Is this not considered felonious to have to pay to use the road (road tax) and then get slugged again for the same usage? one or the other but not both, that is fundamentally wrong! They have some "creative" souls at DMBC eh! If this sets the precedent I wonder how long it is before any area with a house and road gets the same "treatment"? ozpat
  • Score: 4

12:06pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Greetwolf says...

ice3582 wrote:
Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
Thank you for your comment.
Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household.
I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to.
First.
My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living.
Second,
I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits
Thirdly.
I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle.
52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway.
Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are.
This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!!
You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right?
Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable.
I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)
I don't know if you are aware about the terms of been economical?
The 4x4 is a land rover defender, if you know any other cars that have the same spec and can tow 7.5 tonnes please do tell me. Hence why I have the little car to get me from a - b without using litres of fuel.
I would love to meet you in person and for you to be in my shoes for a day!
There's no need to step into your shoes to understand what you're doing. You're trying to park a large business vehicle in a residential street and you don't want to pay your way.
You're quite happy to talk about being economical (for yourself), but you don't explain why it's poor value to pay £95 a YEAR to park a £30,000 vehicle on land that you don't own. Assumedly you can afford to put diesel in it at about £120 per week for a 20 gallon tank ?
You "are" the problem, and it's not just you, just a general decline into community ignorance that's swept the UK over the last 25 years.
It's why councils are skint, it's why facilities are neglected, and it's why UK living standards have declining irretrievably in our lifetimes. Everybody wants something for nothing and has forgotten fairness and moral fibre.
Look at the joker above you who wants a free permit, AND a visitor permit...but to fine everybody else who parks there?
The guy in this paper last who bought a house next to Swan Pool park and then complained he could hear children playing and running about. He thought the park should be kept empty for people like him, so he could take his dog for a crap at night. Seriously...
The guy who buys a house with a 100yr old tree, then complains that the tree is too close to the house so he wants to chop it down.....gets his picture in the paper pointing at said tree with a forlorn look on his face. Then he tries to sell his back garden to build another house on and sod the neighbours who live next door.
How have we ended up producing people like this who generally don't give a toss about the places they live in? How can they keep a straight face?
So next time you park your 3rd vehicle on the public highway, think of the old lady who can't find a single space to park her only car and ends up parking streets away in the dark. That could easily have been your nan too.
[quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household. I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to. First. My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living. Second, I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits Thirdly. I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle. 52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway. Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are. This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!![/p][/quote]You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right? Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable. I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)[/p][/quote]I don't know if you are aware about the terms of been economical? The 4x4 is a land rover defender, if you know any other cars that have the same spec and can tow 7.5 tonnes please do tell me. Hence why I have the little car to get me from a - b without using litres of fuel. I would love to meet you in person and for you to be in my shoes for a day![/p][/quote]There's no need to step into your shoes to understand what you're doing. You're trying to park a large business vehicle in a residential street and you don't want to pay your way. You're quite happy to talk about being economical (for yourself), but you don't explain why it's poor value to pay £95 a YEAR to park a £30,000 vehicle on land that you don't own. Assumedly you can afford to put diesel in it at about £120 per week for a 20 gallon tank ? You "are" the problem, and it's not just you, just a general decline into community ignorance that's swept the UK over the last 25 years. It's why councils are skint, it's why facilities are neglected, and it's why UK living standards have declining irretrievably in our lifetimes. Everybody wants something for nothing and has forgotten fairness and moral fibre. Look at the joker above you who wants a free permit, AND a visitor permit...but to fine everybody else who parks there? The guy in this paper last who bought a house next to Swan Pool park and then complained he could hear children playing and running about. He thought the park should be kept empty for people like him, so he could take his dog for a crap at night. Seriously... The guy who buys a house with a 100yr old tree, then complains that the tree is too close to the house so he wants to chop it down.....gets his picture in the paper pointing at said tree with a forlorn look on his face. Then he tries to sell his back garden to build another house on and sod the neighbours who live next door. How have we ended up producing people like this who generally don't give a toss about the places they live in? How can they keep a straight face? So next time you park your 3rd vehicle on the public highway, think of the old lady who can't find a single space to park her only car and ends up parking streets away in the dark. That could easily have been your nan too. Greetwolf
  • Score: 3

1:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

ice3582 says...

Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Greetwolf wrote:
ice3582 wrote:
Is this some sort of joke.
I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house.
First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house.
Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School.
This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!!
This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here.
It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly?

Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans.
Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.
Thank you for your comment.
Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household.
I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to.
First.
My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living.
Second,
I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits
Thirdly.
I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle.
52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway.
Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are.
This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!!
You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right?
Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable.
I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)
I don't know if you are aware about the terms of been economical?
The 4x4 is a land rover defender, if you know any other cars that have the same spec and can tow 7.5 tonnes please do tell me. Hence why I have the little car to get me from a - b without using litres of fuel.
I would love to meet you in person and for you to be in my shoes for a day!
There's no need to step into your shoes to understand what you're doing. You're trying to park a large business vehicle in a residential street and you don't want to pay your way.
You're quite happy to talk about being economical (for yourself), but you don't explain why it's poor value to pay £95 a YEAR to park a £30,000 vehicle on land that you don't own. Assumedly you can afford to put diesel in it at about £120 per week for a 20 gallon tank ?
You "are" the problem, and it's not just you, just a general decline into community ignorance that's swept the UK over the last 25 years.
It's why councils are skint, it's why facilities are neglected, and it's why UK living standards have declining irretrievably in our lifetimes. Everybody wants something for nothing and has forgotten fairness and moral fibre.
Look at the joker above you who wants a free permit, AND a visitor permit...but to fine everybody else who parks there?
The guy in this paper last who bought a house next to Swan Pool park and then complained he could hear children playing and running about. He thought the park should be kept empty for people like him, so he could take his dog for a crap at night. Seriously...
The guy who buys a house with a 100yr old tree, then complains that the tree is too close to the house so he wants to chop it down.....gets his picture in the paper pointing at said tree with a forlorn look on his face. Then he tries to sell his back garden to build another house on and sod the neighbours who live next door.
How have we ended up producing people like this who generally don't give a toss about the places they live in? How can they keep a straight face?
So next time you park your 3rd vehicle on the public highway, think of the old lady who can't find a single space to park her only car and ends up parking streets away in the dark. That could easily have been your nan too.
My cars that I drive are paid for by the company I work for, plus the fuel.
Where would this money be going to? I pay road tax and council tax and I a resident are getting penalised for parking outside there own residence.
I take it you don't live in Heath street yourself as you would know that the council have not bothered in sorting the numerous amount of potholes that there are currently in Heath Street.
Talk about over exaggerating parking streets away that's just talking nonsense.
There are enough spaces for residents to park outside there homes, but there is not enough for workers and shoppers who park to go into the surrounding areas!
[quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ice3582[/bold] wrote: Is this some sort of joke. I have Three cars in my household and i park two of them on my drive and i have no choice to park the third one outside my house. First of all i am lucky enough to have a double drive. I live in Heath Street and most houses do not have a driveway and have no option to park in the Street outside there house. Secondly are you going to be charging all the parents to park in the surrounding area of Greenfield Primary School. This is a ludicrous idea, i am most certain that other readers think the same also.!!![/p][/quote]This is the irony. People who buy too many cars to fit the house they bought, then complain about a lack of space. Then they have the cheek to complain about parents dropping kids off at a school that's been there for 100 years before they were here. It's not the neighbourhoods fault is it....and your house hasn't got smaller since you bought your 3 cars assumedly? Irrespective of the lack of sense shown above is a general problem with permits where it's been widely used in Birmingham. As soon as people have paid for a permit, they get an even greater sense of entitlement and think they own the street. They turn into curtain twitchers when a stranger parks a car, but they still expect their relatives to be allowed to park, or are happy to lend their pass to friends for a quick visit. It ends up being more trouble than it's worth, Councillors hate the idea because it leads to nothing but moans and groans. Simple thing to do is move somewhere else that's suitable to park 3 cars, put up with what you've helped create without moaning, or sell one and get a bike.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Just to inform you, it is necessary to have three cars in my household. I don't have to tell you the reason why but i am going to. First. My Nan has her car which she uses for her day to day living. Second, I have my business car which i use to travel to my office and local visits Thirdly. I also have a 4x4 which is also used for business as in my job there is a lot of towing involved, which a normal car will not be able to handle. 52 years my Nan has lived in Heath Street and blow me down if you think we are moving house just to be able to fit all the vehicles on the driveway. Dudley Council are desperate for money as most councils are. This idea will generate complaints and uproar. Not money!![/p][/quote]You have two cars for yourself because you can't decide which one to use for work? You're kidding right? Make your mind up and sell one, or sell them both and replace with one multi-purpose vehicle that's suitable. I'd charge you double just for being a chancer :-)[/p][/quote]I don't know if you are aware about the terms of been economical? The 4x4 is a land rover defender, if you know any other cars that have the same spec and can tow 7.5 tonnes please do tell me. Hence why I have the little car to get me from a - b without using litres of fuel. I would love to meet you in person and for you to be in my shoes for a day![/p][/quote]There's no need to step into your shoes to understand what you're doing. You're trying to park a large business vehicle in a residential street and you don't want to pay your way. You're quite happy to talk about being economical (for yourself), but you don't explain why it's poor value to pay £95 a YEAR to park a £30,000 vehicle on land that you don't own. Assumedly you can afford to put diesel in it at about £120 per week for a 20 gallon tank ? You "are" the problem, and it's not just you, just a general decline into community ignorance that's swept the UK over the last 25 years. It's why councils are skint, it's why facilities are neglected, and it's why UK living standards have declining irretrievably in our lifetimes. Everybody wants something for nothing and has forgotten fairness and moral fibre. Look at the joker above you who wants a free permit, AND a visitor permit...but to fine everybody else who parks there? The guy in this paper last who bought a house next to Swan Pool park and then complained he could hear children playing and running about. He thought the park should be kept empty for people like him, so he could take his dog for a crap at night. Seriously... The guy who buys a house with a 100yr old tree, then complains that the tree is too close to the house so he wants to chop it down.....gets his picture in the paper pointing at said tree with a forlorn look on his face. Then he tries to sell his back garden to build another house on and sod the neighbours who live next door. How have we ended up producing people like this who generally don't give a toss about the places they live in? How can they keep a straight face? So next time you park your 3rd vehicle on the public highway, think of the old lady who can't find a single space to park her only car and ends up parking streets away in the dark. That could easily have been your nan too.[/p][/quote]My cars that I drive are paid for by the company I work for, plus the fuel. Where would this money be going to? I pay road tax and council tax and I a resident are getting penalised for parking outside there own residence. I take it you don't live in Heath street yourself as you would know that the council have not bothered in sorting the numerous amount of potholes that there are currently in Heath Street. Talk about over exaggerating parking streets away that's just talking nonsense. There are enough spaces for residents to park outside there homes, but there is not enough for workers and shoppers who park to go into the surrounding areas! ice3582
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Sam Vimes says...

Seriously though stop copying and pasting the whole discussion into every reply. ;0)
Seriously though stop copying and pasting the whole discussion into every reply. ;0) Sam Vimes
  • Score: 2

7:33pm Sat 8 Feb 14

gazwhite2311 says...

Greetwolf wrote:
gazwhite2311 wrote:
I'm sorry i must have bought a dodgy calendar because it would appear to be April fools day !! How can you possibly think that penalizing residents is a good way to solve the problem with non-residents blocking up the streets . Issue every household with permits for residents plus a couple of time sensitive visitor passes then fine the offenders to get your funding . This isn't rocket science !
You don't understand, this is complete tomfoolery and a perfect example of selfishness. How topically fashionable and shamefully non-British can you get?
Resident or non-resident...nobod

y owns the street, it's a public highway. Everybody pays for it. Parking on the road is an allowance, not an entitlement.
Non-residents might as justifiably say that they cannot use the local businesses because all the house owners are using the public highway to park and are thus blocking the street, so the house OWNERS are the problem?
Worst of all, they're buying multiple cars to park on public property, then trying to imply that other members of the public should not be allowed the same entitlement as them? Yes, it must be flippin' April Fool's Day :-)

I don't think £95 is enough, it's hardly worth the administrative time to deal with such a trifling sum of money. Charge them £1000 a year. Less than £20 a week is superb value for a parking space where there are none available. If you want more than your fair share, then pay for it. If you want a slice of public value, pay your way and don't try to stiff your community..
Traditional British sense of fair play, or nouveau British sense of wanting something for nothing? Such a sad state of affairs.
Well you make many points and many assumptions about me which i won't dignify with a response . However i would suggest to you that reading more and writing less is sometimes a good course to take .
[quote][p][bold]Greetwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazwhite2311[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry i must have bought a dodgy calendar because it would appear to be April fools day !! How can you possibly think that penalizing residents is a good way to solve the problem with non-residents blocking up the streets . Issue every household with permits for residents plus a couple of time sensitive visitor passes then fine the offenders to get your funding . This isn't rocket science ![/p][/quote]You don't understand, this is complete tomfoolery and a perfect example of selfishness. How topically fashionable and shamefully non-British can you get? Resident or non-resident...nobod y owns the street, it's a public highway. Everybody pays for it. Parking on the road is an allowance, not an entitlement. Non-residents might as justifiably say that they cannot use the local businesses because all the house owners are using the public highway to park and are thus blocking the street, so the house OWNERS are the problem? Worst of all, they're buying multiple cars to park on public property, then trying to imply that other members of the public should not be allowed the same entitlement as them? Yes, it must be flippin' April Fool's Day :-) I don't think £95 is enough, it's hardly worth the administrative time to deal with such a trifling sum of money. Charge them £1000 a year. Less than £20 a week is superb value for a parking space where there are none available. If you want more than your fair share, then pay for it. If you want a slice of public value, pay your way and don't try to stiff your community.. Traditional British sense of fair play, or nouveau British sense of wanting something for nothing? Such a sad state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Well you make many points and many assumptions about me which i won't dignify with a response . However i would suggest to you that reading more and writing less is sometimes a good course to take . gazwhite2311
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Stourbridge Gal says...

I think that this is a ridiculous idea aimed at residents who can ill afford the permit charges to enable DMBC to gain yet more revenue. The parking problems in Green Street, where I live started when a major multi storey car park was blown up by Tesco developers, which the council approved, so the lack of parking spaces is whose fault again? Oh yes the councils, who now want us to pay because of problems that this has caused. The main problem parkers, were actually Tesco contractors whose white van men arrived like an army every morning whilst it was being built and stayed all day taking up valuable spaces. Now they have gone the congestion has eased considerably and it is no longer a problem finding a space. The Crystal Leisure Centre, a major cause of car users visiting the town used to park here, but now presumably use Tesco's car park., which saves the council providing a car park. I have seen the problems caused by permit parking in Oxford, which is a nightmare. If you don't buy a permit, there is only a park and ride facility at a cost, which enables shoppers into the town centre or face extortionate car park charges. So the only impact will be less shoppers using Stourbridge Town centre, and if Tesco decide to start charging too, Stourbridge will become a ghost town. Think again DMBC, You caused this in the first place so don't sound the death knell for the town, think about the consequences of your actions, which may be far more reaching than first appears.
I think that this is a ridiculous idea aimed at residents who can ill afford the permit charges to enable DMBC to gain yet more revenue. The parking problems in Green Street, where I live started when a major multi storey car park was blown up by Tesco developers, which the council approved, so the lack of parking spaces is whose fault again? Oh yes the councils, who now want us to pay because of problems that this has caused. The main problem parkers, were actually Tesco contractors whose white van men arrived like an army every morning whilst it was being built and stayed all day taking up valuable spaces. Now they have gone the congestion has eased considerably and it is no longer a problem finding a space. The Crystal Leisure Centre, a major cause of car users visiting the town used to park here, but now presumably use Tesco's car park., which saves the council providing a car park. I have seen the problems caused by permit parking in Oxford, which is a nightmare. If you don't buy a permit, there is only a park and ride facility at a cost, which enables shoppers into the town centre or face extortionate car park charges. So the only impact will be less shoppers using Stourbridge Town centre, and if Tesco decide to start charging too, Stourbridge will become a ghost town. Think again DMBC, You caused this in the first place so don't sound the death knell for the town, think about the consequences of your actions, which may be far more reaching than first appears. Stourbridge Gal
  • Score: 5

1:49am Sun 9 Feb 14

ianmarrey says...

Stourbridge Gal - it is the number of requests from residents over the last couple of years that have prompted the consultation which requires 80% support before a trial would be considered. It would not raise revenue and despite what the Stourbridge News report says the council does not "want it" we want to know whether the residents want it. If not, it won't happen.

The only way to consult properly is to show what it would look like if it was adopted but I can reiterate that unless it commands the support if 80% of the proposed area it will be set aside.

I believe that people should have a say on matters that impact on their neighbourhood and as you point out, major decisions have been taken in recent years without much community involvement - that needs to change. Cllr Harley may well be right in what he thinks the outcome will be (although he seems to support it if it were cheaper) but I don't think he is in a position to tell people what they think.
Stourbridge Gal - it is the number of requests from residents over the last couple of years that have prompted the consultation which requires 80% support before a trial would be considered. It would not raise revenue and despite what the Stourbridge News report says the council does not "want it" we want to know whether the residents want it. If not, it won't happen. The only way to consult properly is to show what it would look like if it was adopted but I can reiterate that unless it commands the support if 80% of the proposed area it will be set aside. I believe that people should have a say on matters that impact on their neighbourhood and as you point out, major decisions have been taken in recent years without much community involvement - that needs to change. Cllr Harley may well be right in what he thinks the outcome will be (although he seems to support it if it were cheaper) but I don't think he is in a position to tell people what they think. ianmarrey
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Sun 9 Feb 14

starvingstu says...

Residents need only ask themselves a few simple questions. Will having parking permits reduce the number of cars in the Old Quarter? No. Will you be able to park outside your home and no-one else when you have a permit? No. Will it affect local businesses, some of whom you have used for decades? Yes. Will you be financially worse off from the scheme? Yes. When friends or family or vital services to the vulnerable (district nurses, home help, ring and ride, etc) come to visit you, will it be a problem organising 'vouchers' or temporary permits for them? Yes.

So is there any benefit to Parking Permits? No.
Residents need only ask themselves a few simple questions. Will having parking permits reduce the number of cars in the Old Quarter? No. Will you be able to park outside your home and no-one else when you have a permit? No. Will it affect local businesses, some of whom you have used for decades? Yes. Will you be financially worse off from the scheme? Yes. When friends or family or vital services to the vulnerable (district nurses, home help, ring and ride, etc) come to visit you, will it be a problem organising 'vouchers' or temporary permits for them? Yes. So is there any benefit to Parking Permits? No. starvingstu
  • Score: 6

5:11pm Sun 9 Feb 14

viktoria says...

If people are parking in the Old Quarter to avoid paying the fees for the car parks, then there are two answers: (1) Make the car parks free (and also refurbish the abandoned/nearly collapsing car parks like those on Birmingham Road). And (2) improve public transport so it's easier not to drive. Both of these will bring more people to Stourbridge to do business, which will increase the tax take for Dudley Council from business rates etc. and enable business to occupy the many vacant spaces in the town, further increasing Council revenue. It makes economic sense for the Council to do this, and it will alleviate congestion in the Old Quarter.
If people are parking in the Old Quarter to avoid paying the fees for the car parks, then there are two answers: (1) Make the car parks free (and also refurbish the abandoned/nearly collapsing car parks like those on Birmingham Road). And (2) improve public transport so it's easier not to drive. Both of these will bring more people to Stourbridge to do business, which will increase the tax take for Dudley Council from business rates etc. and enable business to occupy the many vacant spaces in the town, further increasing Council revenue. It makes economic sense for the Council to do this, and it will alleviate congestion in the Old Quarter. viktoria
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

L.Eagle says...

It is an absolutely shocking idea.

The council's own literature accepts that it would cause a 20 - 40% reduction in spaces available and that residents wouldn't be guaranteed to get a space. What happens if a householder doesn't get a spot and has young children and has to park streets away?

What about re-sale value of a property with such a problem?

Shameful idea.

Brook St
It is an absolutely shocking idea. The council's own literature accepts that it would cause a 20 - 40% reduction in spaces available and that residents wouldn't be guaranteed to get a space. What happens if a householder doesn't get a spot and has young children and has to park streets away? What about re-sale value of a property with such a problem? Shameful idea. Brook St L.Eagle
  • Score: 2

8:20pm Wed 12 Feb 14

L.Eagle says...

ianmarrey wrote:
Stourbridge Gal - it is the number of requests from residents over the last couple of years that have prompted the consultation which requires 80% support before a trial would be considered. It would not raise revenue and despite what the Stourbridge News report says the council does not "want it" we want to know whether the residents want it. If not, it won't happen.

The only way to consult properly is to show what it would look like if it was adopted but I can reiterate that unless it commands the support if 80% of the proposed area it will be set aside.

I believe that people should have a say on matters that impact on their neighbourhood and as you point out, major decisions have been taken in recent years without much community involvement - that needs to change. Cllr Harley may well be right in what he thinks the outcome will be (although he seems to support it if it were cheaper) but I don't think he is in a position to tell people what they think.
Ian, tell me what happens to residents who don't get a permit then want to sell their house say to prospective purchasers?

Tell me what the family with young children does who have two cars and don't get a permit - what do they do? Ask the kids to walk 1/2 mile every morning and evening to go to and from home/school etc?

There will be a 20 - 40% reduction in parking spaces available when at the moment the very concept of the scheme is such that it acknowledges the streets are full.

I agree with the principle of consultation, but please, not some ridiculous idea to cure congestion by reducing space and charging hard working families a lot of money for it.

And whether the scheme would be revenue neutral or not people would be resentful because it would be difficult to convince them that it is revenue neutral.

You're a socialist and I would wish for you to put a spoke in the wheels of this as aside from the consultative aspect of the process, it does anything but help hard working families. In fact, such a scheme would be more likely to do the contrary.

Cheers,

Miff
[quote][p][bold]ianmarrey[/bold] wrote: Stourbridge Gal - it is the number of requests from residents over the last couple of years that have prompted the consultation which requires 80% support before a trial would be considered. It would not raise revenue and despite what the Stourbridge News report says the council does not "want it" we want to know whether the residents want it. If not, it won't happen. The only way to consult properly is to show what it would look like if it was adopted but I can reiterate that unless it commands the support if 80% of the proposed area it will be set aside. I believe that people should have a say on matters that impact on their neighbourhood and as you point out, major decisions have been taken in recent years without much community involvement - that needs to change. Cllr Harley may well be right in what he thinks the outcome will be (although he seems to support it if it were cheaper) but I don't think he is in a position to tell people what they think.[/p][/quote]Ian, tell me what happens to residents who don't get a permit then want to sell their house say to prospective purchasers? Tell me what the family with young children does who have two cars and don't get a permit - what do they do? Ask the kids to walk 1/2 mile every morning and evening to go to and from home/school etc? There will be a 20 - 40% reduction in parking spaces available when at the moment the very concept of the scheme is such that it acknowledges the streets are full. I agree with the principle of consultation, but please, not some ridiculous idea to cure congestion by reducing space and charging hard working families a lot of money for it. And whether the scheme would be revenue neutral or not people would be resentful because it would be difficult to convince them that it is revenue neutral. You're a socialist and I would wish for you to put a spoke in the wheels of this as aside from the consultative aspect of the process, it does anything but help hard working families. In fact, such a scheme would be more likely to do the contrary. Cheers, Miff L.Eagle
  • Score: 1

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